Michel Mulipola talks WWE, Marvel, Tekken and drawing The Rock | Two Sketches with Toby Morris

– Alright. Got your gear, ready to roll. – No, but
– (laughs) – Let’s do it anyway. – Do you know what you’re gonna draw yet. – No actually
– Still working on it. – Yeah, It’s just gonna be a surprise. – Okay.
– To me as well So, it’s gonna be fun. – Yep I was thinking with
that, seeing as I think we’ll probably be talking
about wrestling a bit, I was thinking that I might
draw the Bushwhackers. – Some of my favourite wrestlers from my childhood, New Zealand legends. – Yeah, good friends of mine – Butch and Luke.
– See there we go. – Do you know those guys?. – Yeah, I beat up, I beat up Luke once. – (laughs) – There’s nothing more fun than
beating up a 60 year old man – Correct me if I miss anything, I’ll try and remember everything. You are a artist for WWE comics. – Yep. – Artist for Marvel trading cards. – Co-creator of Headlocked
the comic series. – You’re also a pro wrestler,
the former IPW champion. – Yep. – The illustrator of a whole
bunch of Pasifika kids books. – Ambassador for Duffy Books in Homes. – Yes. – And on top of that you’re
a top level Tekken player. – And you’re also a big
part of Arkham City Comics, – That’s where we are sitting obviously. – Yep. – Um, did I miss anything? – Uh, that I’m very handsome?
– (laughs) – Nah, yeah pretty much that
covers most of what I do. Yeah I’m very fortunate to
have a life where it’s revolved around comic books,
wrestling and video games. As someone who loved to
do those things as a kid, I get to do those as an adult. – Were you always a drawer as a kid?, like were you into it
when you were little? – Hell yeah. You know, I fell in love with
comics when I was a little kid most kids like you know,
just kids in general just love to doodle, right?.
– Yeah. – And then they slowly grow out of it, but like finding comics at that age, it kind of fostered my love of drawing. – Yeah. – And so, I just drew ever since I could really pick up a pencil and pen. – Were your like, family
and stuff supportive of you drawing when you were a kid?. – Oh yeah.
– Were you encouraged?. – My mum used to take me
to the comic book store. – Yep. – She really helped foster
that love of comic books. – Yep – And she never really kinda,
pressured me to be something. – Yeah, right. – She just allowed me the freedom, – Yep. – To kind of discover what I
loved and what I want to do. – Yeah cause it is a bit
of a different career path and I know for me, my family
was a little bit like, Didn’t quite, they were always supportive, but didn’t
– Yep. – Always quite get it,
like how you gonna make some money off of this? (laughs) – Yeah, especially when
you’re a Polynesian, It’s a little bit different. You know.
– yeah. – There’s other external factors. – You know, family
commitments and what not. – Yeah. – Can kinda
derail a lot of careers. What kind of pencils do you use, like HB? – Yeah I’ve got no-
– You more soft pencil than… – Usually HB, I like
these Tombow Mono 100, like Japanese pens, I dunno
what it is about them. – But it’s not very,
whether it’s real or not somebody told me they’re special, so they always feel special
(laughs) when I use them now. – Yeah, it’s uh, the magic beans. – Yeah exactly yeah. – Yeah I kind of prefer
my pencils to be a little on the harder side, so I use a 2H. – Yeah right, okay
– HB or 2H. – Lighter…
– Yeah. I don’t draw that hard. – Is that a smudging
thing or is that just a- – Nah it’s just, it’s just my preference, like I prefer to have more
control over the line. – Yep. – Compared to the softer pencils. – And when did wrestling
come onto the thing for you?, have you got early memories of- – Oh yes.
– First time seeing WWF or? – Yeah exactly like it
was WWF back in the 80’s. – Yeah. – Especially as a kid who
loved comic books right? – Yeah. – Superheroes.
– Yeah. – We didn’t have Marvel
films back then, so… – Yep. – Pro wrestling was like the closest thing to real life superheroes,
it just lends itself to an impressionable young comic book fan. – And there was a bit
of, sort of New Zealand, Pasifika connection in that
early wrestling too right? like Bushwhackers.
– yeah – And King Haku,
– So yeah. King Haku and you had Siva Afi, you had “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka. – Yep. – Haku is definitely one of
those ones that I loved as a kid he would show up, beat
people up and then he would jump on the mic, he’ll speak Tongan. and even though he was Tongan,
it was kinda cool to have, I guess a brown person, like
someone like me on television, who was unashamedly Polynesian. Like he was embracing who he
was, rather than you know, kinda hiding the fact
that he was a Polynesian. – Do you think there’s a
reason that Polynesian culture and wrestling connect so well,
like there’s a big history – Of that right?
– yeah. – You know you start
off with Peter Maivia, The High Chief Peter Maivia, which is also “The Rock”
Dwayne Johnson’s grandfather. And he kind of was the, he’s the catalyst for Polynesians in professional wrestling. And one thing I love about
professional wrestling and it’s very suited to Polynesians, is it’s very physical, but
it’s also very entertaining. We like to have a laugh, we
like to entertain people. And so, wrestling gives
you the best of both worlds In terms of the physicality, but also the chance to entertain. – What is it that made you get into it?, was there something that
you, was there a moment that you were watching and then
you thought, I could do that – Yeah you know, you’re always
like, yeah I wanna do that, that’s what I wanna be
and so that was always in the back of my mind and
so when Impact Pro Wrestling here in Auckland had a
tryout, I remember thinking, you know what?, just give it a shot. – Yeah
– You know. – This is an opportunity that you know, that doesn’t often come your way. And if you fail then at least
I gave it a shot you know. And so that was pretty
much 13 years ago. (laughs) And I’ve been part of Impact
Pro Wrestling ever since. – Do you remember your first match? – Was your first match-
– oh yeah. – A terrifying thing or? – No, so here’s the thing,
I remember my first match, my trainer sees me just sitting
there, just chilled out, like I’m laid back, like
just in the locker room and he’s like, “aren’t you excited?.” I was like “Yeah, yeah I’m excited.” and he goes “Oh you know, I
thought you’d be like pumping “and pumped and stuff, and then you’ll “be like all over the place.” “nah, I’m good, I’m good,
like I know what I need to do “and what I need to achieve and stuff.” And he goes, “okay.’ And he thought that was really weird that, That’s how I was and I
remember my first match with Vinny Dunn and I was
chill, even in the ring. I remember just going, you know what?, this is what you need to do, just do it. And that kind of mindset has allowed me to kind of wrestle for as long as I have. And so my debut match was actually like, I would say was actually
really good for a debut match. For the first ever match
people backstage were like, holy crap, that was so
good, but again it’s because I had a clear mind, I
wasn’t over thinking things, my mind wasn’t rapidly
racing during the match, and Oh I’ve gotta do
this, I’ve gotta do that, gotta do this, it’s like no okay, do that. – Yeah I think-
– let that breathe yeah, – 99 people out of 100
would be freaking out in a situation like that. – Yeah and I remember, I forgot one thing, there was one thing I
forgot to do in that match and my opponent had turned his back on me, and I was supposed to roll him up for like a quick kind of two count. – What’s that, like that’s what your- – Yeah like I almost beat him kinda- – Yeah, right right right. – But I remember he’s
got his back towards me and I remember thinking,
oh crap what do I do?, I forgot what to do, so
instead I’m just standing there going, oh crap I forgot what’s next. I was like okay, I forgot
what’s next just do something. So I grabbed put him
into a suplex type thing, then went for the pin. And if I didn’t have a clear head, I probably would have
stood there shellshocked. But again, just being
able to process that, because I was very
chill, zen in the moment. I was like okay, just
do something, cover it. Like you know, don’t let people
know that you’ve forgotten what’s next just do something. – Just keep rolling yeah?.
– Yeah. – And that’s the thing
with professional wrestling is it’s live performance,
you don’t get a second take. – [Toby] The reaction’s the
thing in wrestling right? – [Michel] Yes
– [Toby] like that’s the goal is to be getting like,
getting the crowd on your side or the crowd like pumped up right? – [Michel] Yeah, professional wrestling’s like any other art. You know, you try and elicit
a reaction from your audience. And if the crowd don’t care
about what you’re doing, then you’re not doing your job. You know, you’re not creating art. And that’s how I view
professional wrestling, it’s a performance art, you’re
telling stories in that ring. – [Toby] Yeah. – [Michel] You know, it’s
not just you know spandex and high flying moves, it’s
about emotional connection. – [Toby] Yeah. – And that’s what make it an art form. And I think some people
kind of forget about that. You know, they try and
think, oh wrestling’s like real fightng, it’s a real sport. And like there is elements
of it that can be. – Yeah. – But in the end, we’re
there to entertain. – Yep, seems like a good place to jump back into talking about comics. Your first kind of big
break came in, was it 2010?, that you went to the
Comic-Con for the first time. – 2011,
– ’11, yep. – 2010 was when I won the V energy drink’s Pimp My Life competition,
that whole experience itself, totally changed the trajectory of my career, which is kinda crazy. – How so that is?. – So yeah, so with the V
money I won 10,000 dollars. And so, with the 10,000 dollars,
rather than spending it on Coke and hookers, I decided to invest that into you know, my career. So with that money I did
find my way in San Diego, to San Diego and I had
some portfolio pages, some sequentials that I put
together roughly, for San Diego. Unfinished ones to be
honest, because I was lazy. But they were enough to get me noticed by an editor at DC Comics. – Now does that work?, you drop in, you drop in work,
– yep. – and they text you or something and say come back and talk to us. – Yeah, you drop in
work and then that night editors get together, go through all the portfolio submissions
and if there’s anything that piques their interest, then they give those people a call back. And so the following day you
had out to the booth again and then they have a list of
who they wanna see that day. And so I put my portfolio into
there and the following day I find myself being on that
list, which is kinda crazy, cause to have my name kinda up
there in the DC Comics booth. And having an editor who
saw something in my work that was worth enough to be called back, was almost the affirmation
I needed at that point in my career to let me
know I could do this. – Right, you’re in the hunt, kind of- – Yeah I was like okay,
so my stuff is good enough like you know.
– Yeah. – Because I just never
knew, I always thought I was fairly average. – Yeah, cause I wanted
to ask you how you felt like your stuff sat within New Zealand. Like I get a sense that your, At that time you would felt
like you sat slightly outside of the traditional New Zealand comics community or comics scene. – Yeah exactly, I still
feel that way sometimes too. Cause I feel like as a Polynesian artist I’m already on the outside. – Right. – Because you know New
Zealand comics is pretty white. But then also the fact
that a lot of my work is very commercial, very I
guess, mainstream comics. And a lot of New Zealand comic
are very underground-ish. You know they have that
kind of Zine vibe to it. – That’s more the world that I came up – Yep. – Through that kind of
alternative Zine World comics- – Yeah, alternative comics and stuff. And here I was this brown kid doing like mainstream style comics and so, I felt like I was an outsider because of that as well. Because my work didn’t reflect the traditional kind of underground vibe that New Zealand comics generally has. – But that didn’t stop me. – Was that somethin- yeah that wouldn’t. – And that kind of thing was just, it’s more like well that’s cool, you know, I don’t need to be in your club cause I’m just gonna do me, like I’m gonna let my
work speak for itself. – Yeah. – So yeah, that was also
motivation to head over seas just to see, again, test myself. – That’s my motive.
– Yeah, I guess that’s not something
that’s gonna, you can’t, there’s no DC of New Zealand
– nah. – To crack here, so that was
not, you know whether or not you’re sort of accepted
in New Zealand comics here is like, irrelevant whether
you’re gonna get a job with those big companies
anyway as your goal I suppose. – Yeah, exactly. So yeah I remember when
I was first coming out and I had a couple
interviews and I talked about the whole being on the outside and I know it ruffled a few feathers in the New Zealand comic scene. – It’s not that hard to do really – No – Seems comic artists are
mostly pretty sensitive. So I remember you sort of talking about that at various points, but you saying that it’s a,
for a Polynesian artist was, you felt like it was a very
white kind of world I guess. – There’s like hardly any of us out there. There’s some Hawaiians, which
is like, that makes sense cause you know, Hawaii
being part of America, they have more access to, you
know that world and stuff. But like true, you know like
true full on Polynesians like you know, that don’t have that, even like some of the
diaspora like me, like him, born and raised in New Zealand. – Yeah. – You know, it’s like where do we go?. How do we make that dream happen?. – Yeah, it doesn’t seem like
there’s any particular reason why it wouldn’t, you know like for a… it seems like there would… I’m sure there’s lots of
Samoan, Tongan kids around New Zealand that could draw well right? It’s just, is it that you
think that they just haven’t been sort of-
– It hasn’t… – That hasn’t been apart of something – Yeah, it hasn’t been nurtured
a lot of times you know. And now in our cultures
like you know, drawing and being an artist isn’t
seen as viable career option. And so a lot of like
really talented artists that I’ve seen in high school and stuff, fall to the wayside because
life gets in the way. And so part of my mission as
a Samoan comic book artist is to be as visible as possible, to be as approachable as possible. Because there’s plenty of
other brown kids like me out there in the world, who think about doing something like this or
even, not even just drawing, just like they have a
different dream than the norm. And I like to kinda show
them that regardless of how weird and different their dream is, it can be possible, you
know and that’s what I love about being a Duffy Books
in Homes role model. Like, especially visiting
low decile schools. Sharing my love of reading,
comics really fasten my love of reading, but also drawing. And showing these kids that you know, things are possible. But like you know it’s
not easy, like I’m saying, You know, saying stuff like,
you know, it’s possible, but there’s a lot of hard work,
there’s a lot of sacrifice to be made to have that,
you know kinda happen. And a lot of chance and a lot
luck and taking those chances. – Yeah, so Duffy Books
in Homes do you think, could you explain quickly what that is?. – Yeah so, Duffy Books
in Homes is a charity which provides books
for low decile schools. Founded by Alan Duff. – So you’re going into the
schools and encouraging kids to be reading,
– yeah. – And just to be like- – Like showing them what’s possible through reading, through knowledge. Yeah, through their interests
and stuff, like you know. And that’s something that’s
really near and dear to my heart kind of being a positive
role model for those kids, oh I wouldn’t say I’m
a positive role model, but some kind of role model.
– (laughs) – Cause I’m one of the worst people. – (laughs) – So, yeah. – But I imagine just
meeting someone like you, say for all those kids at their schools, must be super encou-, like
there must be little Michels out there, that are sitting
at the back of the class, that love their drawing
or like you’re saying they wanna write a play,
they wanna do something a bit different that,
imagine you rocking up to their schools would be
massively encouraging for them. – Yeah, that’s the goal. – Like, um, essentially like my goal as like a Duffy Books in Homes role model or as just as an advocate for
comic arts, as a Samoan kid is to try and be the person
I wished I had growing up. Letting me know it was
okay to do this stuff. So yeah, so that’s kinda
my motivation is about servicing that little kid that I was. – Yeah.
– it’s pretty cool. – Do you talk about the
wrestling stuff as well like- – Yeah, so
– does Liger make an appearance- – So I have a way that I
kind of share my story. I have a slideshow because as an artist, you can’t just talk about your art, the kids have got to
visually see your work. And especially when,
you know I’ve done stuff for the school journals as well. But yeah, it’s just,
it’s one of those things where I just kind of go out there show my slide show, talk about my comic work
and then right near the end I kinda talk about how
as an artist you know you bring ideas to life. And one of those creations that I brought to life is a certain character. So I go, I hide behind
something, put on the mask, come out and I talk to the kids about how I’m a professional wrestler. – Could I meet Liger, like is it different to talk to Liger
– (laughs) – To talk to Michel is that. – It’s definitely an experience. But if you do want to talk to Liger, I know he’s lurking out the back. – Okay.
– Cause that’s what liger’s do So give me a couple of minutes and I could-
– okay sure, I’d love to meet Liger. – I’ll go and see if he wants
to come and talk to you. – Okay. – So yeah Yeah let’s get this going.
– okay cool. That sounds great. – Liger. – Toby. – Do I shake your hand or no? (laughs) – No, I don’t know what kinda germs are… Are are on the hands so… – Okay – I’ll just let it be. – Well it’s nice to
meet you, I know you’re the former IPW champion, you coming back. – Don’t bring that up. This is probably one of the
worst interviews I’ve ever had, – (laughs)
– As a professional wrestler. Yeah, I would rather tag out than actually keep on talking to you, because
you’re a waste of my time. So with that being said,
I’m gonna tag out. (slap) – So what’d I miss? – (laughs) that was intense man. – Was it? – I’ve been through something. – Yeah Liger can be a bit
of a dick, sorry about that. – So you’ve collaborated
with David Riley a lot too, those Reading Warrior books right? The Samoan Heroes, Tongan heroes. Are they something that has
been satisfying to do or? – David Riley the writer of that, you know, kind of came up with those books because he’s a teacher at
Tangaroa College in Otara. And he found that for a lot
of his Polynesian students. There weren’t books
about their own people. Niueans, Tongans, Samoans, Cook Islanders. And so he felt that he needed
to show those positive stories about you know, those kids own people, so they can be inspired by them. – Yeah, did you have books
like that growing up? Or is that something-
– No – You feel like you wish
you had those books?. – Exactly, that’s why I was
honoured to be a part of them, those books, because I also identified that there was a hole in that market like, in terms of providing positive role models for the various Polynesian Islands. – I Imagine that’d have a huge impact There’s be some kids out there
– oh yeah. – That are just blown away by those books. – Like you know for me
like, I just really loved not only being able to
illustrate the stories, but also learn about my own stories themselves while illustrating them. So you know there was a
whole bunch of like legends that I didn’t know about,
that I got to illustrate. And so I learnt those
stories at the same time and that was part and
parcel of working on that and that I really enjoyed
that, learning my culture. – Yeah, that’s cool. Another thing that I
wanted to ask you about of course is the WWE comics. – (laughs) – There of course
– full circle yeah? – Yeah is the… Do you remember the day that you first got the,
sort of the call up there, like was it an email?, or
something that you got that was- – Oh yeah so, I got an email… – 2016, October, I know
because, September sorry. I know this, because I
was travelling Australia for a couple of conventions
when I got the email. And so what was happening was Samoa Joe, whose a current WWE
superstar and I’ve done some work with him on Headlocked. He was asked to write a
story for the WWE comics alongside my mate Mike,
you know from Headlocked. And they were asked by BOOM!
Studios who publish WWE comics, who they’d like to draw the
story and they both said me. So BOOM! Studios hit me
up, gave me the rundown, they was like, hey, we’ve
been told to hit you up, can we get a couple of pages, just to see if you’re right for the story. So while I’m travelling
between Sydney and Brisbane, I’m working on these two
pages doing conventions. I also managed to do karaoke, With some friends and I still
managed to get pages done. Because I could see how
fun this was gonna be. And I did the two pages, they loved it and they wanted me to do the rest. – Cool. Were you nervous doing those pages? or were you like this is my
shot, or were you confident or- – I was… I was chill, like I knew that I had to get this done, I had to
get it done well and quickly. But I never really had
the pressure of like, oh have you stuffed this up?, you’re done. I just knew okay, this is an opportunity that’s presented itself,
attack it with all you can and we’ll see how that goes. – Yeah. – And so yeah, so that was
kind of my foot in the door, in terms of going into
some of the WWE work. And so I’ve done about
four WWE stories now. And I’ve gotten to draw
The Rock, kind of The Rock. Couldn’t actually draw his
face, but I drew The Rock. – How come you weren’t allow
to draw The Rock’s face?. – I can’t go and draw the- oh… So from what I can
gather, the BOOM! Studio, BOOM! Studios doesn’t have the licence, the likeness rights of The Rock. I think they could use him on the cover, but they couldn’t draw
him in the actual book. And so, in the script I had to draw Stone Cold versus the Rock,
but I had to find creative ways of drawing The Rock
without drawing The Rock. – So a lot of behind the, you
know behind the back shot. – So is that just in the moves,
you’ve just got Stone Cold giving him a headlock or whatever. – So yeah yeah, you got you know, limbs kind of obscuring
his likeness and stuff. but yeah like it was just
interesting, I felt like I had mastered the art of drawing The Rock without drawing The Rock by the end of it. – Yeah. – I remember you saying, when that… I think maybe it was
the second one you did that had the name Mulipola on the cover. – It was the first one. – The first one?.
– It was the first one. So it was weird because it was something I’d never took into consideration, but once I saw my last name on that book, it made me realise, all the
sacrifices that my grandparents made to bring our family to New Zealand. They’ve been in New Zealand since ’67. And to see me kind of carrying that name, representing that name
and seeing it in print on the cover of-
– it’s not just you, It’s Mulipola is like-
– yeah, that’s it yeah. It’s not, it’s not me, it’s my family. And in Samoan culture you know, your name, your family is everything. And to kinda represent that, worldwide, because that comic was
released all over the world and was sold out, so like that feeling, I remember I teared up a bit, because… Cause it was an unexpected feeling. You know that sense of pride
that I honoured my grandparents, you know, by carrying
their name, their legacy. – When you’re wrestling are you worried about injuring your
hands? Like is it that- – That’s funny cause a lot
of people actually ask that, like, oh are you afraid of being injured?. And the thing is when I’m
a wrestler, I’m a wrestler. When I’m an artist, I’m an artist. I don’t think about injuries or like, oh I gotta protect my
hands, they’re so delicate I need some palm olive. It’s more about when I’m in that moment, I’m the wrestler, you know
because if I’m thinking too much about life outside of that ring, be like, oh if I injure my
hands I can’t draw anymore, then I injure my hands, because it’s always in
the back of my mind. So I kind of shut out
the artist and stuff, when I am in wrestler mode. And then afterwards you
know, it’s a bit of both, but in each kind of arena,
that’s who I am in that moment. One of the biggest things
in wrestling is concussions. So I’m very fortunate
to have a coconut head. – (Laughs) – In the 13 years that
I’ve been wrestling, I have not suffered one concussion. – Right. – So it’s a bit of technique
and bit of genetics. – (laughs)
– They have saved me, so yeah. (laughs)
– got the chin. – Yep. – And the Marvel trading card
stuff is a similar sort of, Did they see the WWE Work?
– Yeah. No, so I remember asking… An email just came out
of the blue, asking me to illustrate some sketch cards for Upper Deck and their Marvel series. And they’re so much fun. – Have you got favourite
character to draw?. Favourite Marvel characters?
– Yeah, um. The first lot I did they gave me cards which had the names of the characters, so I just draw those characters. But the last two I’ve had free reign to kind of draw whoever I like. And this latest series I
did was the Marvel Universe, Marvel Cinematic Universe,
10th anniversary cards. And so I had 30 to do,
and I remember thinking well, no one gives love to the bad guys. So I end up drawing 20
bad guys and 10 good guys. – Cool. – And they were so much fun. – Was it more fun to draw the bad guys?. – Oh, it’s always more
fun to draw the bad guys. – And how’s your drawing going
man, have you just finished?. – Yeah I’m about, I’m just putting on the finishing touches now. I was-
– Cool, yep. I think I’m just about done,
I was actually wondering if I could try out your Copics?. Have you got a little like
mid grey or something?. – Yeah I have warm and cool greys. – A little warm grey maybe? – Yeah there you go so,
– look at that. – Yep warm greys, cool greys. – I don’t really need to do this, but I’m just a bit jealous of your Copics. So there we go.
– (laughs) – They got two ends, eh? (pen top clicks) – Yep. – Alright man, you’re finished?. – Yeah, I guess so. – Shall we do the reveal?. You ready?.
– Yep. – Ta da.
– Oh nice. – (laughs)
– that’s King right? – Yeah it’s king, yeah from Tekken. – Your Tekken character.
– That’s my boy. – Yep, is there a King/Liger
sort of overlap a little bit. Is it like a sort of, does some
of King’s moves a little bit – Yeah there is-
– Or the other way around. – There is actually a video on youtube of me doing King’s moves in real life. – Yep. – So yeah, so that’s definitely one of my wrestling influences. – I love the colour man,
it’s nice being able to draw colour that quickly. – Yeah, no, Copics you
know, well you see my range of Copics are there. And like luckily I was in this mode cause I just finished doing a whole set of trading cards using Copics. – You use the Copics for that?. – Yeah for Upper Deck.
– Yeah. – So I was like, awh heck
going on I’m in the mood to- – You just in the groove, yep
– yeah. – Cool.
– Sweet. – I don’t think the Bushwhackers probably wanna see my
picture if they met- (laughs) They’ll beat me up again – No, that’s pretty close though Like you even got like the little… The little tattoos they’ve got as well. Yeah that’s pretty spot on. – Their funny characters though still In that weird kind of-
– yeah, yeah. – It’s like sort of a comedy team really, aimed for like an American audience. – They we a comedy team
for the American audience for WWF especially, but before that they were the hardcore
deathmatch wrestlers like. – Yeah cause they weren’t
young when they were in WWF even right, they’ve
been around for a while. – They’ve been around for a while. So it was kind of weird
having these really violent wrestlers come into WWE and be comedy- – Comedy relief.
– A comedy act. But that’s the joy of
professional wrestling. Like you know, it’s like the
circus, you have strong men, you have clowns, you have the acrobats. You know there’s something for everyone. – Yeah. – And that’s what I love
about professional wrestling. – Awesome, well thanks so
much for chatting today man. That was really fun.
– No. Thank you for having me. – It’s great to draw, great to chat. – Yeah hopefully this brown
face doesn’t get this cancelled. But yeah, that was a lot of fun, I really enjoyed hanging
out and drawing with you. – That was very cool man,
thank you very much. – Thank you.


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