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  • Some Random Name

    The people regardless of who manages it.

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  • James Wayne

    The United Kingdom.

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  • Victoria Pires

    There is an article in artsy called the case against the Universal Museum. In it George Abungu, the former director general of the National Museums of Kenya, says "" the museum’s ‘universalism’ is an ideological position that has its own history and its own politics, and the universal museum is fighting to preserve its own heritage, not the world’s ". I think it's a pretty good argument.

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  • Paul Tudor

    If the Parthenon Sculptures had been left in Greece they would have been sand by now. It is a case of who can be trusted to look after the Parthenon Sculptures.

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  • H F

    In my opinion, the argument of to whom it belongs towers over all others, including who should keep it or who possesses it now.

    The arguments from the BM sound, quite frankly, like cognitive dissonance.
    And this is coming from someone who is neither Greek or British.

    So does it belong to Greece? There was no Greece when it was made. But guess what, there was and still is Athens. The men are obviously not the same, but the place and even some of the buildings are.

    Thank the BM for safe keeping it for the last 200 years. It's time to return it.

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  • Russell Hogben

    This is a VERY sensitive subject. I don’t see them being returned any time soon.

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  • Hans Hoerdemann

    Good explanation. Flip a drachma?

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  • cloudtoground

    that argument chart was really good and that's what's needed to be done, looking at the pros and cons. It's complicated but it sounds like they stole it about 200 years ago. No doubt, it's a tough one and I'm glad I don't have to make a decision on it. It's sort of a recent taking and the Greeks weren't compensated for it. Maybe Greece can have some and the British museum can have some. Tough one.

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  • Grendelmonster8u

    It's their identity. They had so much destroyed in wars and should probably have them back, though I'm doubting that will happen. For the rest of us, it's world history and the development of civilizations and cultures. In Lebanon they've been ruining some old Roman foundations for building purposes and there's nothing we can do about it since it's their country. I don't worry about Greece doing any such thing, especially as it draws tourism. In many cases, I'm glad Europeans took artifacts back home because those places, such as Egypt, did not yet have the archeological skills and materials as did the Europeans and it was more likely that they would have been harmed just as ISIS has destroyed sculptures and buildings in Syria or the Taliban's destruction of the Buddhas at Bamiyan. 

    You have a video of a Syrian frieze of a lion hunt. Should that go back to them? Now isn't a good time, maybe some day. How much will London's museum suffer for not having the Greek statues? Are they a huge draw to the museum? Unless pieces are sold off their only value is in what draws museum goers. If this modern museum in Athens looks out at the Parthenon, then I can see that if you have those statues right there that the experience would be more intimate…you could picture just sticking them inside the Parthenon along with the whole ambience, as Steven said, in the sunlight, etc. It's as close as you're going to get to its history. If you took the great statues out of Rome's piazzas and stuck them in a museum it would affect the whole ambience.

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  • Claudio Saltara

    When the sculptures were taken were appreciated only by the elite European class. The local countries were lackadaisical about their treasures if not downright oblivious. The Europeans spend millions to preserve the work of art in other nations and they get kicked in the derrière. Stop all funds for Archeologica digs in these countries that seek repatriation of their art work and see what happens. The restoration of the Parthenon is funded in part by the European Union and other associations no body pay attention to that. They ask for help but bite the hand that feed them. (See Getty Museum and Italy court case). All the big excavations were undertaken by Germany and England in the 1800 and 1900 read archeology history of Egypt and of the Middle East.

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  • thanos voudouris

    Plain and simple. VANDALISM. In fact, the term "Elginism" as described in the dictionary as:
    Elginism (ĕl’gĭnĭz’əm) n. … An act of cultural vandalism. Assembly of artifacts from other countries in imperial capitals. A term coined by the destructive actions of Lord Elgin who illegally decapitated and transported the Parthenon Marbles from Greece to London between 1801 and 1805.

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  • MISTYWORLD

    All art should be given back

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  • Bruce Burns

    What is that saying , Possession is 90% of the law or whatever .

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  • Karl Striepe

    If we take the assumption that great art is "universally owned" (although why we should is debatable), the sculptures should be returned if two things hold: (a) the Greeks can adequately care for it, and (b) they will display it publically. I've never been there and I don't know the state of its finances, but I assumed the Acropolis Museum meets these criteria, no? So return the fuckers.

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  • Soreofhing

    These days very realistic fibreglass reproductions can be made, and they would be almost indistinguishable from the originals.
    So why not make some good copies of the Elgin Marbles?
    The copies would be sent to Athens.

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  • Aiden Martin

    It belongs in Greece

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  • David Maxfield

    The British Museum should make casts of everything then send the originals back to Greece.

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  • Kent Amick

    It is a useless debate. It is up to the British Museum what it does with its sculptures. I agree that they have preserved something that would have probably been destroyed under the Ottoman muslim empire. My opinion is that they should keep them. Visiting the British Museum: free.

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  • Jon Zeno

    The Marbles should stay at the British Museum. There is no obvious sense that any art object should ever be returned to its place of origin. Every great museum in the world contains objects from around the world, and so it should be. Back in Greece they still would be out of context, i.e., not on the Parthenon.

    The video failed to mention that in 449 BC Pericles, leader of imperialist Athens, “appropriated” money from the Delian League to build this version of the Parthenon, the original had been destroyed by the Persians. The imperial coffers at Delos were intended as a defence fund against the Persian threat in the region. It was not intended for the aggrandisement of imperial Athens. So, one could argue that imperial Athens never legitimately owned the Marbles.

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  • Cameron

    I am in Athens now at the Parthenon. It’s so sad to see how much was stollen from this beautiful site.

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  • WizzardOfPaws

    After seeing what happened at passagarde, it's best to keep such Priceless items where their safest

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  • CΔRL ΛTTΞNIΞSΞ

    Elgin tricked the Greeks. He is what literary scholars would call a cunt.

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